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  Question for Atheists.. Did you gain a Greater Sense of Morality and Happiness?

  by objectivetruth in

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  i've heard some view points that state, atheists are generally more moral & caring for fellow humans, than are theists.. i'd like to hear some personal stories of life changes and quality of life after you became atheist.

  i have a simple theory that may explain this.. i'll explain my theory if you'd like, after a few responses, as i really am interested in the personal changes that you experienced.. thank you very much, and i look forward to your stories..

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  Please note that "'The Golden Rule' do to others what you would like done to you" doesn't say anything about god, does it?
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  Can religion be banned?

  by FL_Panthers in

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  is this a realistic thing?

  can the governments or someone else ban religion?.

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  Nathan Natas

  Well, yes, of course religion can be banned. All you need is a totalitarian government with the will to do it.

  Can religion be banned HERE?

  (I'm assuming you are in the so-called "free world")

  Are you high?

  Religion can't be banned here as long as the social contract is in effect.

  If religion was banned, wouldn't your anti-religion be banned also? or did you think you'd be a "priviledged character"?
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  Muhammad Ali fought the US Draft 47 years ago today, June 20th, 1967

  by designs in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  with the help of jw attorney hayden covington the supreme court ruled in favor of muhammad ali's exemption status to the draft.

  i admired him for taking his stand.. meanwhile we young jw guys were being hung out to dry by the wt.

  goons- knorr, franz and schroeder.

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  Rebel8 said, "... I always felt sorry for the bros--that may be the one thing the bros had worse than the women in the Org."

  As one of those who had to face the draft, I thank you for your compassion. I've read your story, and facing a draft board, even with all it implied, in my opinion is nothing compared to the difficulties you faced on a daily basis.

  When I faced the draft board I fully expected that I would be spending some time in prison, and in the naivete that only a religion can inspire I thought it would be no big deal if I did go to prison. Fourty-six years later I read Terry's book. How stupid I was; how stupid my "elders" were!

  ...and the thing is, I WON! My draft board decided that I qualified for a 4-D deferment! I, yes, I - met the definition of a "minister of religion" when I was not even 20 years old! ...and here's the kicker - I believed i was, too! ...For a time, times, and half a time, give or take a few times.

  One downside, years later, is knowing that so many other good guys; Farkel and Terry, among others, were thrown into the bowels of the beast while I tap-danced through that particular Great Tribulation. What it comes down to is that I had better stats than they did, and my draft board was in Long Island City, NY, not on the west coast. There were BUNCHES of JW guys who had to face the same draft board I did, but I don't know who any of them are. I tried to contact someone I knew from back then. He responded, "You ought to get a dog so you have someone to talk to." Thanks.

  But the process of a draft is cruel, and the way incarcerated "men of conscience" were treated is abominable. "So, you're a "nice guy" eh? You love your neighbor, you're "god-fearing," eh? Well, we've got a little something special planned for you, pal."

  My father and my uncles served in WWII. If my mom hadn't accepted that DAMNED "free home Bible study" maybe I would have served. My cousins did, and they survived. Maybe I would not have survived; there were GIs in 'Nam who were skinned alive by the VC. Maybe my bones would be in a rice paddy somewhere. Maybe I would have committed atrocities after hearing my buddy being skinned alive.

  No matter where you go, there you are. And I am here.
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  Article: To save trauma victims, doctors may swap blood with cold water till patients die

  by AndersonsInfo in

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  2. medical

  to save trauma victims, doctors may swap blood with cold water till patients diedoctors at the university of pittsburgh medical center plan to treat trauma patients with an experimental procedure that induces hypothermia by replacing their blood with freezing saltwater.. .

  by kate murphy.

  the new york times.

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  Nathan Natas

  Donny, GREAT MINDS think alike! See my post six clicks up from yours. WE are PROPHETS!!
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  Article: To save trauma victims, doctors may swap blood with cold water till patients die

  by AndersonsInfo in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  to save trauma victims, doctors may swap blood with cold water till patients diedoctors at the university of pittsburgh medical center plan to treat trauma patients with an experimental procedure that induces hypothermia by replacing their blood with freezing saltwater.. .

  by kate murphy.

  the new york times.

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  ADCMShirley said, "I'm sure it won't take long before WT publishes some strong opinion about this procedure should it become more common."

  Watchtower, October 1, 2014:

  "...Therefore, the decision is not to trouble those from the nations who are turning to God, but to write them to abstain from things polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from what is strangled, and from cold water, although the use of cold water fractions are a matter of conscience."
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  What happened to member "Amazing"?

  by EdenOne in

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  i have read last night the personal story of forum member "amazing", which he posted in 19 installments about 12 years ago.

  there are so many things about his experience that i can relate with.

  he seems to have vanished from this forum, for his last post as "amazing" was about 3 years ago.

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  Nathan Natas

  I'll assume you alreadt know Amazing!'s real name.

  After Amazing! left JWD/JWN and re-embraced his Roman Catholic heritage, he began posting on "Channel C", which is a forum that requires an application for posting membership and limits posting membership to Christians. Anyone can go to "Channel C" and read the posts, but only "the elect" can comment to anything

  Amazing! had health problems (why do otherwise inteligent people smoke?) which I hope he has survived.

  The original owner of "Channel C" died within the past couple of years and for a while the fate of Channel C was uncertain.

  But it exists as of five minuts ago.
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  Has anyone ever saved another persons life?

  by LogCon in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i don't mean you advised them and they changed their lives around, kind of saving a life.. i mean right before your eyes, right now, you had to do something to save a person or they would be dead.. how did it make you feel?

  did it have any affect on you?.

  forty years ago i was working on a construction site and a back-hoe had loosened a large boulder.

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  I once used my Theocratic Ministry School training to leave a copy of the AWAKE! in a laundromat; I felt good knowing that I just might have saved a stranger from Armageddon.
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  Published life story of Australian ex-Witness. An absorbing read.

  by MrMonroe in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  there are a number of books available on amazon giving the life stories of ex-witnesses.

  i've always been intrigued by one called "i'm perfect, you're doomed" by kyria abrahams, which sounds like a witty read.

  one day i'll buy it!.

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  Taurus58, welcome aboard the S. S. JWN! We're (the imperial we) glad you're here! I just got my copy of 'A Little Lower Than Angels' and I'm eager to dig into it!

  Although the WTB&TS tries to present an image of boring homogeneity to the world, EVERY experience of EVERY JW who makes it to the e X it and survives is different. Even if they're twins, each individual has a different story to tell... kind of an "e unum pluribus" situation.

  Has 'Witch Way?' gone to the presses yet?
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  Illuminati End-Times Deviled Eggs

  by Nathan Natas in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i never cease to be impressed by the clear thinking and iron-clad logic of "true buhlevers".

  it almost made me writhe with desperation because i am an atheist.

  almost... but actually i'm writhing with laughter.. .

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  I never cease to be impressed by the clear thinking and iron-clad logic of "True Buhlevers®". It almost made me writhe with desperation because I am an atheist. Almost... but actually I'm writhing with laughter.

  But the power of Lord Jesus compels me to share these life-saving words of TROOTH with you. [Nathan hisses like a viper]

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  http://www.bilerico.com/2014/06/man_sees_the_apocalypse_in_miracle_whip_commercial.php
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  Where do we go when we die?

  by bsand20 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  my best friend of 14 years and maid of honor passed away 2 months ago at age 32 after battling breast cancer for 6 years.

  i haven't been the same since for many reasons.. as a jw kid i believed 144,000 chosen went to heaven, the good people would be resurrected including those who didn't have a chance to hear about jehovah, and the rest, which were of other religions and bad people, died and would cease to exist.

  again, because i was a kid when i left, i never really understood the jw position on death and why they came to their conclusion.

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  Isn't it great that the most popular myth determines reality?

  There is no spirit realm, you do not have a soul, when you're dead you are gone, "heaven" is empty. There you go.